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dorol
30-10-09, 23:25
Hi all.
I intend to buy WD TV Live and some feedback from owners will be appreciated.
Thanks a lot.

Monkeyface
31-10-09, 01:23
What it does -not- have:


* DVD menus
* automatic switching between 24 - 50 - 60 Hz
* proper subtitle customization (like changing the position or color)
* No DTS-HD passthrough (only DTS 5.1 core out of DTS-HD)
* No WMA Pro audio playback
* No multichannel FLAC audio playback

Everything else should be fine!
You can install "custom" firmware, too!


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1172446

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http://wdtvforum.com

oRBIT
02-11-09, 08:28
I've had a WDTV Live for a few days and I am pretty pleased with it. It has got fast navigation (even with thumbnails!) and I like the zoom-feature which enables you to get rid of some of the black bars on widescreen movies for example.
It remember the last position of the movie if I power it off (however, I can't seem to find a manual "seek" function).

It has a few bugs but this seems to be common for all mediaplayers. It displays thumbnails twice in thumbnail-mode, has some minor subtitle issues and one DivX file I tried had some syncing errors (worked perfekt in VLC).
Hopefully we will see new firmwares that'll deal with these issues in the future.

thespecialist
25-11-09, 05:21
What it does -not- have:


* DVD menus
* automatic switching between 24 - 50 - 60 Hz
* proper subtitle customization (like changing the position or color)
* No DTS-HD passthrough (only DTS 5.1 core out of DTS-HD)
* No WMA Pro audio playback
* No multichannel FLAC audio playback

Everything else should be fine!
You can install "custom" firmware, too!


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1172446

+

http://wdtvforum.com
How do you know it doesnt auto switch freq ? You can select 'auto' for frequency, I think that should do the job (not sure how to test it actually works though).

I now own both the TVIX6500 and the WDTV live and I already prefer the last. Where the tvix needs more than a minute to boot, the WDTV just takes 3-4 seconds. Where the TVIX doesn't have auto network share discovery (and only uses IP's), the WDTV finds the shares immediately. Those 2 issues have irritated me for a looong time.

However, the "No WMA Pro audio playback" I can indeed confirm (I just played a WMV with WMA pro audio -> no sound). Also, I miss a 'goto' button, like the TVIX 6500 remote has. So it's not 'perfect' just yet. But the TVIX6500 hasnt been perfect for ages either ...

Monkeyface
25-11-09, 11:24
How do you know it doesnt auto switch freq?

Because it doesn't! ;)

HDMI "Auto" is just the favourite setting of your TV. The WDTV asks your TV what it is and then uses this setting as default. (like 1080p60 Hz)

biksen
29-11-09, 12:16
Because it doesn't! ;)

HDMI "Auto" is just the favourite setting of your TV. The WDTV asks your TV what it is and then uses this setting as default. (like 1080p60 Hz)
Hi,

is it a problem in the playback of movies that it does't autoswitch freq ??

Monkeyface
03-12-09, 16:08
is it a problem in the playback of movies that it does't autoswitch freq ??


Western Digital does not want to integrate an "autoframerate" feature into their player.
This is the only reason why it doesn't autoswitch.

IceHunter
04-12-09, 00:06
Plays back sweet and clean. Streams full HD mkvs with 12 reference frames without any kind of stutter. So two thumbs up.

robinrobs
04-12-09, 19:18
awesome gadget!

just dumped my hdx box for this one. completely wife proof and the best part is that any hard disk that you attach to this device instantly becomes a part of the network. i've also eliminated my nas drive from my configuration :)

evilcartman
05-12-09, 19:42
What I love about it:
Fast fast fast, and it does indeed play many files that the wdhdtv and my Popcorn A110 choke on.
Interface is quick and that what drives me nuts about the A110.
Price.
Size and Noise.

What I do not like:
The new interface though similar to the old one now requires you use the direction left AND the back button. You used to get away with no back button. Important for me as I like to customize the remote so I rarely have to use anything but the directionals.

No Flash support, I thought this chip had flv support.

No ISO menu support but it will play the longest title. Have not tried AVHCD.iso yet.

Same crappy navigation once you are inside the movie.

My MOV files do not play. Thought this one had that support too.

Bloody irritating and obtrusive OSD, takes so much time to get rid of it if I just rewinded 2 seconds to hear something it takes 10 sec to make it go away.

What I would love to see:
Navigation of NMT features, specifically, 0-9 bring you to % of the title time.
They could do this and not have to change the remote, just add support for universals with # keys.
Once you are in the title, left and right take you to exact time markers, like the NMT.
Choice between current and a tiny innocuous OSD say in the upper left corner.

More items in list view navigation.

Obviously ISO menu support.

WMV is an evil format so I could care less about support for it in general but since I have some older stuff, I would like a "best effort" attempt to decode WMV 7 and 8 . At least to compare quality of my transcodes, give me a few frames. That would be great for ALL non supported formats. (though I somewhat understand the technical hurdles of what I am asking) Is it impossible?

Native output would be awesome as I have some Anchor Bay upscalers. But auto framerate/resolutions would be good too.

FLV support.

Gigabit LAN. Though from what I hear about the shares, it doesn't even max out 100/base T. Still, I like all the lights on my router the same colour.

And my my #1 fantasy for the device: A software based decoder like VLC that could transcode unsupported formats to disk in the backround even if it could not play them back in real time.

Despite all of this, I am extremely pleased with the thing. Better than all the others I have tried.

biksen
08-12-09, 22:08
This is great. My 8 ref. h264 mkv 1080p is plays back with no lags at all.

My tvix 6600 had a lot of frame-drops on this movie, but the WD is great :D

AlgisP
18-12-09, 00:52
Executive summary: as it was stated here, this is "wife proof" device that either plays the file or displays "Please read the manual for supported formats".

I have TVIX 6500, PopCorn A110, so I was able to compare.

Plus:
1. Fast a few second boot, and non lagging user interface.
2. Simple setup with very little options.
3. Completely silent. No fan, no disk.

Minus:
In general, main bad point is same as main good point: simple setup with very little options, and no "advanced" part.
1. I was not able to output 5.1 sound over HDMI - it was always stereo only despite that I put "DIgital" as the sound option. There is no way to tell this device what formats are understood by receiver and what must be converted to PCM 2 channels so at least some sound is heard. For example, my receiver understands AC3, DTS and AAC directly, and convertion to PCM is needed for WMA.
2. Many WMV files do not play, "read user manual for supported formats" is displayed.
3. It took quite a long time to "scan the device for files" after I attached USB drive with many files. When the drive is inserted first time, the folder .wd_tv is created at the root of the drive with index files placed inside. So next time the opening of inserted drive is faster. Was no way to just disable all these indexes (by genre, by artist...) and simply use in classic "folder" view without scanning all the drive even if the drive is inserted first time.
and other small and non critical issues.
4. No HDMI cable in the box with "1080p" logo...

For me only stereo out over HDMI was an issue. Also picture handling was quite slow, possibly because of USB interface to the disk. It was faster on Tvix/PopCorn.

Overall, this device is too limited for me. Box is very small and does not have place for internal hard disk, and I prefer to have one - I like to drop the content to device and play it from local storage inside the device. So I decided to try PopCorn C200.

For simple basic usage it is an excellent choice. Small, cheap, simple to use.

evilcartman
19-12-09, 00:27
I am curious what you think of the c200.

WMV files enocded in WMV7 or 8 will not play in ANY hardware decoder. Only Windows media 9 will play.

I have no problem getting DTS or even Tru HD from the thing. You must have it set to decode rather than pass thru. It will only decode to stereo but is capable of passing thru any HDMI 1.3 audio to a receiver.

porkepik
23-12-09, 16:05
I'm in the same situation as many other people with network problems (but on Vista x64 SP2 and a simple samba share with a linksys modem in between)

Received the wd tv live yesterday and used it last night for several hours with no problem whatsoever...

Today, i turn if on and got the error message at first network connection and never got it to work since...
After several reboots of the modem, pc and wdtv i haven't accomplished anything and all my patience on this device is gone :-[
I've read several threads on forums and well, one guy claims to have solved this by putting his pc back into WORKGROUP but after check, my pc is already into it so ****

Unless western digital releases an update to solve this by Christmas, i'll send it back to amazon on the 26th (it's a 7 days return policy right?) as i'm not spending one more minute on this :neutral:


Too bad though, because it's a very neat little device: ultra small and dead silent. When it works it gives the feeling of being very stable and you can totally feel the power of the sigma 8655 chip when quickly displaying thumbnail from 1000x1500 poster :mrgreen: , the slideshow or the 5s boot time (cold boot after ac power plug is about 20s). I tried a large bitrate m2ts file withsamba on 100Mb network with no problems (pgs subs are not read btw), all the mkv i tried were played flawlessly too.

Image quality is definitely there with many options (YCbCR, rgb high, rgb low, 8bits, 12 bits color) and subtitles work fine, i was worried that raw tags would be displayed but no, they are filtered properly like on the tvix6500 (external SSA and SRT load fine).

Remote is almost like a keychain but the good side is you get used to the buttons in minutes, unlike bigger remotes where even after weeks/months i still have to look before using a button sometimes.



In terms of bugs or missing features, well the auto refresh rate is missing but considering the price (100€ with shipping) it feels ok somehow... Anyway other players in the price range (realtek) not being able to switch between 50 and 60Hz is almost as annoying. Only players with true automatic refresh rate are all sigma based and cost at least 250€.
The thumbnail feature also use a weird color palette, a bug experienced by everyone it seems.
The "double thumbnail" bug does not show when using folder.jpg, so it's only for the ones who rename the pics same as video name.

One big annoyance though: choosing to display by thumbnail or list view applies on the whole structure, how stupid is that!
So you get a nice cover wall for tv shows, then click...And you end up with 22 icons of video files :roll:

To conlude, even if i'm not ok with how the UI was thought on some parts and there are holes in the feature list (like no goto search on video) as well as a few youth problems, if you don't count the samba bug, the player somehow still does feel like a finished product that i could let my parents use, and it's a feeling given by almost no other brand.
It was just not made for advanced users.

mojimaru
28-12-09, 17:49
I just bought it yesterday. After testing and compare with my existing system : Xtreamer, EHP-700 and Kaiboer K009. It seem that WDTV live work great in MKV and most of the HD format. I'm not in to the DVDrip, ISO for a long time so I consider it as something that can missing feature.

Anyhow it value for money and rock!

jz1276
14-01-10, 20:24
I just got this today. Can someone explain to me the Hz settings?

IceHunter
30-01-10, 02:36
Western Digital does not want to integrate an "autoframerate" feature into their player.
This is the only reason why it doesn't autoswitch.

You don't know that they don't want to. It was asked on the suggestions forum, and the reply is that they are looking into it.

IceHunter
30-01-10, 02:42
2. Many WMV files do not play, "read user manual for supported formats" is displayed.


It plays WMV9 as it says in the manual.


3. It took quite a long time to "scan the device for files" after I attached USB drive with many files. When the drive is inserted first time, the folder .wd_tv is created at the root of the drive with index files placed inside. So next time the opening of inserted drive is faster. Was no way to just disable all these indexes (by genre, by artist...) and simply use in classic "folder" view without scanning all the drive even if the drive is inserted first time.


Go to settings and disable it.


4. No HDMI cable in the box with "1080p" logo...


Because all customers do not need one, so extra price to include one.



Overall, this device is too limited for me. Box is very small and does not have place for internal hard disk,

Yeah, because its hard to get 500 terrabyte drives that small ;)

evilcartman
31-01-10, 04:09
I have bought and returned so many players. I am sure Amazon hates me. But NONE of them live up to their claims, except for this one. Yes, part of of is that WD makes fewer claims but that is not all of it.

I have about 15 terabytes of ancient video files of everything from Indeo to avi and asf files that play but no tool on this earth seems to be able to identify the codec.

The WD live hands down playe a much higher percent then:
PH A110, Tivx 6500 (which by many accounts still is better than the 6600!) Xtreamer. Oiplay, Patriot, some wackadoodle company called Media Gate MG-800, and some overpriced disaster from Netgear.

Still love the PH interface and seek functions which are genius. So for my upgrades I have settled on the WD Live and a PH A200, which in theory should be the same as the C200 without the overpriced options I will never use.

As I have a DVDO, the first of these that offers native framerate output gets all my money from now on. Unless something comes out that will play WMV 7 and 8.

TheSwissKnife
09-02-10, 01:18
I too wait for native output options (I have an Edge), but I also wait for a method to handle SD 720/704 pixels format so that they are correctly be displayed (ie adjusted) with 702 active pixels. The DVDO does not offer this, and AFAIK all pro 720/704 wide material should be displayed with 702 active pixels. Right now we are all watching DVDs etc with a narrowed aspect 2.5% and often black vertical bars at each side. Seems bizarre to me that the industry does not care about this issue - is 2.5% considered acceptable geometry distortion, when colour accuracy and high quality upscaling are so desirable?

Boinkjumper
04-04-10, 21:33
I also just bought one, but am not pleased with it. I have noticed when the camera pans around in the movie it seems like the movie is "stuttering".
That is why I'm looking for an alternativ for thos box.
Mine is hooked up to Seagate 1 TB ext. HDD and I did a test with my drive on PCH a-100 and the movie was running smoothly.

fronkenstoin
05-04-10, 18:20
The artefacts you see when panning are called 'judder' or 'jitter'. They are caused by a discrepancy between the actual video framerate and the framerate at which the player sends the video to your display device.

If you changed the frame rate in the WDTV Live manually before playback you would get rid of the judder - provided that your display device supports the frame rate you're sending it without pulldown. Basically, only Full HD television sets are able to do so.

Since you say the same video file plays smooth on your A-100 that means your TV has proper support for 24p, so at least theoretically you would only need to change the framerate output in your WDTV Live before playback to get the same smooth playback.

Boinkjumper
05-04-10, 23:21
The artefacts you see when panning are called 'judder' or 'jitter'. They are caused by a discrepancy between the actual video framerate and the framerate at which the player sends the video to your display device.

If you changed the frame rate in the WDTV Live manually before playback you would get rid of the judder - provided that your display device supports the frame rate you're sending it without pulldown. Basically, only Full HD television sets are able to do so.

Since you say the same video file plays smooth on your A-100 that means your TV has proper support for 24p, so at least theoretically you would only need to change the framerate output in your WDTV Live before playback to get the same smooth playback.



Thx for the reply, I do have a a true HD Telly (Sony KDL-46W4500 - 100 Hz).
And thx for clarifying the terms it is called.
I do hope I'm referring to the right product: WD TV Live Media Player.
But to get back to you I saw the setup was set to auto I changed it to 1080p 50 Hz or should I choose 60 Hz instead?
Another thing I have noticed is when I run a DVDR with "homemade" subtitles it won't show the subtitles. Am I doing something wrong here?
As you can read I'm still learning in here.

Thx in advance for the help

fronkenstoin
06-04-10, 09:41
I don't actually have a WDTV Live so I don't know what menu options you have - my explanation was more a general one that I hoped could help.

The output you should choose would be called 1080p24 or 1080p23.976.

I assume that the WD TV Live player does support this - if not, there is unfortunately no way for you to get rid of the judder - the least juddery option would be pulldown to 60Hz. The judder when playing 24p with 50Hz output is much worse.

I guess the questions we should also ask are 1) what file type do you have 2) what exactly does the 'auto' option in the menu do?

Gph
06-04-10, 15:37
When the "auto" option is used the WDTV sets it's output to the maximum def and refresh rate the TV can handle.
Having a W5500 myself and it should not be different with the W4500 and so the WDTV will fix the output to 1080p 60Hz.
I use mediainfo to have file information and have to setup the WDTV manually according to the file... This means that if I want to look at a PAL DVD (25) I'll have to setup the WDTV on 1080p 50hz, then if I want to look a NTSC DVD (30) I'll have to go back in the setup and choose 1080p 60hz and finally for a bluray rip (23.976) I'll have to choose 1080p 23.976...
I've tagged all files names with the frequency so can know the setup without having to use mediainfo each time, but changing the output setup require going deep in the menu and is not user friendly.

WD has taken into account the request to have autoframerate (automatic switch between 50/60/23.976/24 depending on the file) but we don't know when or even if it will be included in a next firmware...
If they could only add an output switch by pressing a button on the remote it will be a good step forward more user firendly than digging into the menus.

thespecialist
11-05-10, 16:17
The artefacts you see when panning are called 'judder' or 'jitter'. They are caused by a discrepancy between the actual video framerate and the framerate at which the player sends the video to your display device.

We're working in the WDLXTV project (homebrew firmware) to get a solution: the player will soon be able to output framerate based on a videofile. Also, I managed to get WMApro audio playing, so I think the WDTV live should soon be one of the most interesting players on the market.

MVDH
11-05-10, 17:04
I have to say after a Egreat, HDX-900 / 1000, Xtreamer and having a HDI Base I mostly using the WD TV live. The parallel WDLXTV development is very good.
Every player has it's limits but compared with the others this mediaplayer does the job very good. If I want full dvd or bluray support then I will buy such player. Even kids can handle this player and without any problem, even missing full menus, isn't a problem to get the movies playing.