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I am very sad right now.
I have watched a few incredible 720p and 1080p movies (mkv's) on my brand new Dune 3.0.
DVD's played perfectly too, even though it quit to the home screen a few times, because of a pretty scratched disk.
I went out and bought a few Blu-ray movies, and now I am very sad.
I have an aging Acer AT3750-MGW LCD-TV connected by HDMI (TV is full HD 1080p with HDMI, DVI etc - HDCP-compliant).
Whenever I try to play a blu-ray disk, the TV switches to 480p and says "caching disc" - Then the screen remains blank and the sound comes on. I have to turn the TV off, then on again to get the picture back, but it's always 480p and looks crap.
Now this leads me to think that the HDCP-handshake fails. But why?! As I wrote, the TV should be HDCP-compliant.
I am running the latest beta firmware, and loader firmware.
I've set my resolution to 1080p 60Hz, I've also tried 24Hz and 60Hz and auto framerate.
Is there anything I can possibly do? I'd be very sad if I couldn't watch blu-ray.
By the way, that blu-ray drive is very very noisy!
UPDATE: I have just tried connecting the BD Prime to my 2008-model Dell UltraSharp 24" which has all input ports imaginable, and is of course HDCP-compliant.
I can see 1080p perfectly, but no blu-ray - no image at all, after the "caching disc" - not even if I turn the monitor off and on again, as I could with the TV.
UPDATE: I have just tried connecting the BD Prime to my 2008-model Dell UltraSharp 24" which has all input ports imaginable, and is of course HDCP-compliant.
I can see 1080p perfectly, but no blu-ray - no image at all, after the "caching disc" - not even if I turn the monitor off and on again, as I could with the TV.
Check you setting output From Prime i think somewhere its wrong.
I feel kind of stupid for not having tried before - But trying with another HDMI-cable solved it!
Although my TV reports 1080i @ 60Hz instead of 1080p @ 60Hz - Anyone know why it would choose 1080i? I tried with "Iron Man" and "Kill Bill vol. 1".
Hi,
with DVI and HDMI the player and the screen "talk" to each other which formats are supported and perhaps the EDID information in your display is not correct.
Do you have another player to test?
Ralf
@Kat-CeDe - As I wrote, I got it working with another HDMI-cable - But the TV says 1080i, not 1080p as it does with other content - Strange...
You can manually change it in the Dune if that resolution is supprted.
@MrX_Cuci - How? I've set the Dune to 1080p 60Hz and that works for all media, except for Blu-ray... It insists that Blu-ray be played with 1080i 60Hz...
Setup - Video. You probably set that to automatic?
Seems like normal behavior on older TV's (bluray):
However, since most current HDTVs cannot display 1080p/24, when you connect the LG BH100 to an HDTV that does not have 1080p/24 input and display capability but only has 1080p/60/30 or 1080i input capability, the LG BH100 automatically sends its 1080p/24 signal from the disc to its own video processor which then outputs a 1080i/60 signal.
Check the manual of your TV for supported resolutions.
Auto framerate is set to automatic... Should I set it to 50/60 or 24/50/60? It says that it isn't supported on blu-ray etc, can I ignore that?
As I wrote, the TV does 1080p 60Hz on all other media - But Blu-ray apparently is a little different in this regard...
The TV also does 1080p 24Hz and the others, if I choose that resolution.
Apart from this, I am getting more and more happy with my Dune 3.0 :) What a great little gadget!
I have a similar problem with my configuration.
My Dune is connected to an Infocus IN78 via HDMI. The Infocus is a 720p front projector that can manage 1080p/24 signals.
If I configure the Dune to output 1080p/24Hz it works fine with all HD files, and the Infocus "says" that the received signal is 1080p/24. No judder.
But when I try to play a BD disc (or even a Full BD ISO) the Dune automatically configures its output to 720p.
If I want to keep the 1080p/24 configuration I must open the Full BD folder, look for the film file and play that video file directly. Then it keeps the 1080p/24 and does not change to 720p.
Is that normal?
Thanks and regards.
@MrX_Cuci - How? I've set the Dune to 1080p 60Hz and that works for all media, except for Blu-ray... It insists that Blu-ray be played with 1080i 60Hz...
I have the same exact issue !! I just recieved my Dune Prime 3.0 tuesday . Installed latest beta firmware. This unit is replacing a sony blueray player .That worked flawlessly at 1080p via hdmi . All .MKV files play at
1080p perfectly. What gives ?
when I try to play a BD disc (or even a Full BD ISO) the Dune automatically configures its output to 720p
This is not possible, there is NO automatic resolution feature. Resolution can only be changed by hand.
There is an Auto resolution feature in the resolution menu as far as I recall.
I think it is not working very well though :)
My personal experience:
Setup of Dune 3.0:
Video connector: Digital (HDMI)
Video mode: 1080p50
Aspect ratio: Autoframe
Refresh Rate: 50/60/24
LCD TV Samsung with DISALBED the HDMI-CEC functionality (= Anynet).
Auto refresh rate working for me, according original refresh rate of content, and Dune switching between 1080p50/1080p60/1080p24 modes.
But only in File player.
In BD player stays on default setting (in my case is it 1080p50).
Everythig was tested on latest FW 091229_1411_beta.
We had opened a bug ticker from intial release of FW:
- B-MOVV-002 - Automatic framerate - not work correctly in each cases - switch output refreshrate according native refreshrate of video (PAL/NTSC/24p) (example - M2TS working - switch to 24p mode, same file, BD playback - not correct 50Hz)
My advices in case of any problem:
- donīt forget upgrade to latest FW your display (LCD TV / Plasma / Projector / Monitor) too - with this step you solve many problems
- I had a HDCP problems with Dune Prime 1.0 in past. Everything plays, except the BD content - itīs starts, some discs show BD logo, and then all hang-ups with error mesage
Problem was physically in 1 pin in HDMI socket on Dune 1.0. After back from service - any problem.
- for all, who has a HDCP problem - not HDCP-compliant display, or bad implementation of HDCP in FW of display I have solution:
HDMI to DVI converter which remove the HDCP:
http://www.grandbeing.com/product/HD0101.htm
with this device, conected between Dune and LCDTV, I was able to play all BDs on my old Dune Prime 1.0, when I had a problem with HDCP, which I described above.
My personal experience:
Auto refresh rate working for me, according original refresh rate of content, and Dune switching between 1080p50/1080p60/1080p24 modes.
But only in File player.
In BD player stays on default setting (in my case is it 1080p50).
If you now change the Dune's video mode to 1080p24, and autoframerate to 50/60 (NOT 24/50/60) than not even your files will play correctly, but also your blurays will play at 1080p24....
so :
Video mode: 1080p24
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Refresh Rate: 50/60
The trick is that this way, you ALWAYS return to the dune's desktop, which is 24p, before you start a bluray :) so your bluray will play in perfect 24p, and if you start a mkv or mpg2 or ts or whatever, it will also play perfect in eiter 23,97/24/25/29.97/30/50/59.95/60hz... :)
DVD will still be a problem, but there's a perfectly simple solution: stop playing dvd's ;)
alexwill22
08-01-10, 15:46
But when I try to play a BD disc (or even a Full BD ISO) the Dune automatically configures its output to 720p.
I had the same issue with my Full BD ISOs, but thanks to jowi_kuro's settings, my problem is solved.
Thanks!!!
P.S. This is the best player out right now, hands down. The picture quality is amazing. No issues with the network connection at all. I am using the stock firmware right now, I will update it tonight.
If you now change the Dune's video mode to 1080p24, and autoframerate to 50/60 (NOT 24/50/60) than not even your files will play correctly, but also your blurays will play at 1080p24....
so :
Video mode: 1080p24
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Refresh Rate: 60/24
The trick is that this way, you ALWAYS return to the dune's desktop, which is 24p, before you start a bluray :) so your bluray will play in perfect 24p, and if you start a mkv or mpg2 or ts or whatever, it will also play perfect in eiter 23,97/24/25/29.97/30/50/59.95/60hz... :)
...good trick, but depends which content do you mainly watch...
- In case of BD discs /BD player/ - use the jowi_kuro settings and his trick
- In case HD content from files (MKV, TS, M2TS) /File player/- use the my settings and this trick for playing BD discs content in correct refresh rate:
In Setup / Miscellaneous / Optical Drive / BD disc - I have setting "Ask for user".
When I start play BD disc - open the menu: Play / Open / Close
When you choose the item Open - you can browse file structure of BD disc.
Go to folder BDMV/STREAM and find the M2TS file with biggest size.
You can start play directly the movie:
- without BD menu
- correct refresh rate
- you can change Audio tracks - button "Audio"
- without chapters, but with time GoTo function - button "Search" on remote control, or move with P+/P- for 10 minutes
- with zoom functionality
- without internal subtitles :-(
...good trick, but depends which content do you mainly watch...
This 'trick' works for all files, trust me. All except dvd.
You should try it.
Furthermore, WHY in ***'s name would you play .mt2s from a bluray folder if the COMPLETE bluray is allready there... just start the darn thing.
This is not possible, there is NO automatic resolution feature. Resolution can only be changed by hand.
Yes, it's possible ;)
I'll try to record a video later, so that you can see how the Dune configures itself to 720p everytime I play a BD disc or a full-BD Iso.
And as Rudku says, if I play the M2TS file from the BD folder it displays correctly at 1080p/24Hz.
I've tried your settings but nothing changes.
Anyway I have not updated the firmware, as I've seen nothing related to this issue in the new Beta release.
Regards.
If nothing changes, then you didn't change anything ;)
I think you're mistaken. There is no such thing as auto-resolution. There is however auto-EDID. Not sure what that does. Maybe that is what you are using. If so, you didn't try my settings :)
Again, correct settings should be:
- video connector : HDMI
- video mode : 1080p23.976
- aspect ratio : auto
- auto framerate : 50/60
i've got media in literally all sizes and shapes, *everything* plays in its correct timing. EVERYTHING. From Bluray to .TS, from 24p MKV to 59.94hz H264. I NEVER change resolution by hand. There's just no need.
But there is one thing you'll have to make sure, your display must be capable of doing 1080p50/60, because all is upconverted to progressive with above settings.
This 'trick' works for all files, trust me. All except dvd.
You should try it.
Furthermore, WHY in ***'s name would you play .mt2s from a bluray folder if the COMPLETE bluray is allready there... just start the darn thing.
... your 'trick' works for all files, all except DVD :-) :-) :-)
I donīt told, that my settings are better then yours...
Again, these video settings depends by content, which do you mainly watch:
1) settings for BD playback, and file playback preferred
- video connector : HDMI
- video mode : 1080p23.976
- aspect ratio : auto
- auto framerate : 50/60
for all files via File player works auto refresh rate correctly
all BDs plays corretly on frame rate 23,976
all DVDs plays on wrong frame rate 23,976
2) settings for DVD PAL playback, and file playback preferred
- video connector : HDMI
- video mode : 1080p50
- aspect ratio : auto
- auto framerate : 24/50/60
for all files via File player works auto refresh rate correctly
all BDs plays on wrong frame rate 50, but you can play movie with correct frame rate, when you play it in File player such as M2TS
PAL DVDs plays on correct frame rate 50
NTSC DVDs plays on wrong frame rate 50
3) settings for DVD NTSC playback, and file playback preferred
- video connector : HDMI
- video mode : 1080p60
- aspect ratio : auto
- auto framerate : 24/50/60
for all files via File player works auto refresh rate correctly
all BDs plays on wrong frame rate 60, but you can play movie with correct frame rate, when you play it in File player such as M2TS
PAL DVDs plays on wrong frame rate 60
NTSC DVDs plays on correct frame rate 60
NOTE
All above recommended video settings are only substitute solution!
I hope, that HDi solve issue with auto refresh rate in BD player / DVD player very soon.
... your 'trick' works for all files, all except DVD :-) :-) :-)
Release notes also state that autoframerate doesn't work for dvd so no suprise there... but ok, my mistake is that i forgot to tell you that i don't play DVD's anymore. Not for the last 5 years :) so wrongfully i assume that everybody uses this machine for HD material.
So in that case, if you still want to play SD dvd's in stead of superior HD material, you're post above is pretty ok :)
0xdeadbeef
09-01-10, 01:32
This is pretty pointless. Auto-framerate simply doesn't work when playing DVDs or BDs from folders/images. Setting the framerate to 24p to play a BD is no "trick", but the obvious step to play a BD with correct framerate on a player with no functional auto-framerate.
Anyway, if a BD contains extras in PAL/NTSC, you're screwed again.
There's only one proper solution: HDI has to implement a working auto-framerate.
This is pretty pointless. [..]
There's only one proper solution: HDI has to implement a working auto-framerate.
i almost forgot, but you're right offcourse :)
I would prefer an 'output = input' (or pass through) setting
I would prefer an 'output = input' (or pass through) setting
That would be the best solution. But a good working auto-framerate, and a good working auto-resolution combined, will do the trick as well.
I think Autoframerate is the best wording as long as some videos might not have completely std resolution (eg 1980 x 1050) which will not be supported by your tv in output = input mode.
Autoframerate shoud though use the native resolution when it can be supported by the display. I'd rather have my Denon AVR do the upscaling than dune upscale, but for now i don't have this possibility :)
I would prefer an 'output = input' (or pass through) setting
That would be perfect for all of us who use an external video processor.
I am very sad right now.
I have an aging Acer AT3750-MGW LCD-TV connected by HDMI (TV is full HD 1080p with HDMI, DVI etc - HDCP-compliant).
Whenever I try to play a blu-ray disk, the TV switches to 480p and says "caching disc" - Then the screen remains blank and the sound comes on. I have to turn the TV off, then on again to get the picture back, but it's always 480p and looks crap.
Now this leads me to think that the HDCP-handshake fails. But why?! As I wrote, the TV should be HDCP-compliant.
I am running the latest beta firmware, and loader firmware.
I've set my resolution to 1080p 60Hz, I've also tried 24Hz and 60Hz and auto framerate.
I just got my Base 3.0 and are experiencing the same issue with a Barco D-Cinema Projector which has a TI DLP CINEMA EDID.
I am thinking of using a DVI detective to force the handshake.
But it could be an image constraint token forced HDCP downres....
I tried all the settings including those above(nothing) Also when booting image has no synch. Same player works fine on 28 hdmi monitor.
...
Again, correct settings should be:
- video connector : HDMI
- video mode : 1080p23.976
- aspect ratio : auto
- auto framerate : 50/60
...
OK. My tv set is 720p. What do You suggest for me? What settings should I use?
BR
Tomek
If your tv downscales a 1080p signal to 720p i would still use my settings... if your tv can not handle 1080p signals, you have a problem, because there is no 720p24 setting on the dune, so you will have to set it at 720p50 or 720p60, causing the autoframerate trick for bluray's 24p to malfunction... in that case i don't think there is an automatic solution, you will have to change the timings by hand.
Yours is a perfect example of the need for more and working (auto) framerate/resolution settings and a pass-through mode.
My tv can downscale so I'll use yours settings. Thanks :)
dikkiedirk
10-01-10, 17:59
This is pretty pointless. Auto-framerate simply doesn't work when playing DVDs or BDs from folders/images. Setting the framerate to 24p to play a BD is no "trick", but the obvious step to play a BD with correct framerate on a player with no functional auto-framerate.
Anyway, if a BD contains extras in PAL/NTSC, you're screwed again.
There's only one proper solution: HDI has to implement a working auto-framerate.
I agree! And this issue should be solved with top priority.
Please HDI fw dev, first get everything working and stable before adding other features to the firmware
If nothing changes, then you didn't change anything ;)
I think you're mistaken. There is no such thing as auto-resolution. There is however auto-EDID. Not sure what that does. Maybe that is what you are using. If so, you didn't try my settings :)
Again, correct settings should be:
- video connector : HDMI
- video mode : 1080p23.976
- aspect ratio : auto
- auto framerate : 50/60
i've got media in literally all sizes and shapes, *everything* plays in its correct timing. EVERYTHING. From Bluray to .TS, from 24p MKV to 59.94hz H264. I NEVER change resolution by hand. There's just no need.
But there is one thing you'll have to make sure, your display must be capable of doing 1080p50/60, because all is upconverted to progressive with above settings.
Hi.
I've recorded a video (sorry for its low quality). It's about 6 minutes long.
Perhaps it could be better to watch it in HQ, so that letters and numbers can be seen better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRw_q8CMKKw
Video direct link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttkfbiV_AHw)
The video starts with Dune video settings.
After that I select to play an HD file, showing Dune output resolution -it keeps the 1080p/24Hz- and the signal detected by the Infocus projector -1080p/24Hz-. It works fine with those HD files and that resolution.
After that I stop the file, and the Dune desktop is shown (keeping the 1080p/24Hz).
Then I start playing a BD disc, and automatically the video signal sent to the projector changes as seen in the Infocus menu (it detects 720p/60Hz, the native resolution of the projector).
I wait till the film starts, and the resolution is kept at 720p as seen in the projector menu.
Then I stop the disc, the Dune goes back to 1080p/24Hz -so does the pj- and then I start playing a BD Iso, and automatically the resolution changes again to 720p/60Hz.
I stop it again, and select the same BD Iso but I choose to open the folder to play the film file, and now then resolution is correctly kept to 1080p/24Hz (and the whole file can be watched without any problem).
I've been reading several posts and it seems that there are two complete different firmwares, one to play HD files and DVD's and another one for the BD discs and BD ISOs, and it seems to me that when playing BDs a kind of Auto-EDID function is kept into account, instead of keeping the video settings selected in the menu.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but as you can see in my video it seems to be working in that way.
And as I said in a previous post I still have the original firmware installed in my unit.
Thanks and regards.
Redefined ticker in Bugs and Wishes on Dune BD Prime 3.0:
- B-MOVV-002 - Automatic frame rate - work correctly only in File player (MKV, M2TS, AVI, MOV), but donīt work in BD player and DVD player (playback from optical disc, network streaming ISO & Folder structure).
it seems that there are two complete different firmwares, one to play HD files and DVD's and another one for the BD discs and BD ISO's
This is absolutely true, the giveaway is the fact that the user interface for bluray is totally different then the rest. I'm not sure if HDI writes both subsystems, but my guess is that the 'bluray player' might be even some Sigma embedded propriarty software... and the rest is HDI. This way the 'Dune' part simply calls the Sigma part if the user wants to play a bluray disc/folder/iso.
Again, this is an educated guess AND NOT A FACT. But it would explain why blurays play in 8 bits colormode and separate files as 12 bits... since both are separate software parts which might be developed by different developers or even by different companies...
This is absolutely true, the giveaway is the fact that the user interface for bluray is totally different then the rest. I'm not sure if HDI writes both subsystems, but my guess is that the 'bluray player' might be even some Sigma embedded propriarty software... and the rest is HDI. This way the 'Dune' part simply calls the Sigma part if the user wants to play a bluray disc/folder/iso.
Again, this is an educated guess AND NOT A FACT. But it would explain why blurays play in 8 bits colormode and separate files as 12 bits... since both are separate software parts which might be developed by different developers or even by different companies...
... only users of Popcorn C-200 can helps us uncover, if is true ...
C-200 uses the SDK from Sigma too (maybe only different version on same time)
I even tried a 130$ Gefen DVI Detective Plus to force the Dune Base 3 into seeing 1080p 60. It did not even synch.:mad: But even out of synch you could still see an image downsized to 720 x 480.WTF?
This matter needs to be taken to the attention of Keith Jack who participates in the avsforum thread.
His Blog:
http://keithjack.net/
Sounds like you have a HDCP-issue...
The projector is fully hdcp compliant, it plays all other hdcp sources fine. The Dune player plays 1080p iso's on another 28 inch I-INC monitor. It does not play unencrypted test files either.
I also have a sync problem on boot, unstable image resizing back and forth with purple flashes.
I think it is an incomplete EDID file in the Sigma Master EDID folder.
http://miamibadc.com/Images/DP1200-DVI_DETECTIVE.jpg
@CINEROONI
I wrote my advice in my previous contribution in this thread:
http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175120&postcount=15
Here is it again:
- for all, who has a HDCP problem - not HDCP-compliant display, or bad implementation of HDCP in FW of display I have solution:
HDMI to DVI converter which remove the HDCP:
http://www.grandbeing.com/product/HD0101.htm
with this device, conected between Dune and display (LCDTV, Plasma, Projector) I was able to play all BDs on my old Dune Prime 1.0, when I had a problem with HDCP.
I works with many HDMI devices by Gefen (itīs high class for me), TV-one, and other brands, but HD-0101 by Grandbeing is unique with this undocument feature. Not other HDMI device from Grandbeing has this feature. And I donīt known other similar product.
Cineroni, how does the projector like 4:4:4 sent over HDMI?
A directly connected Dune to a Pioneer plasma says that it's receiving 36bit video.
Hi crion, it is not possible to feed 36 bit video over one DVI in it can be done over 2 DVI in but You need a fancy Barco scaler for that.
Cheers.
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