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Hello all,
I am having issues playing BD-J BDMV folder structure rips on my base 3.0 from an external HDD.
BD/HDMV files are playing OK but not the BD-J structures.
I tried with 5 discs, "I robot" and 4 discs from The Pacific series.
using the latest firmware just published.
Any help welcome :-)
Thanks
I'm experiencing more and more 1:1 bluray copies that won't work, i'm not sure if those titles are BD-J's, is there a way of checking if the disk is a BD-J?
Funny thing is that a lot of BD copies that won't work on my Prime 3.0 DO work on other Prime's from other users... using the exact same copy.
I'm experiencing more and more 1:1 bluray copies that won't work, i'm not sure if those titles are BD-J's, is there a way of checking if the disk is a BD-J?
Funny thing is that a lot of BD copies that won't work on my Prime 3.0 DO work on other Prime's from other users... using the exact same copy.
Hi Jowi,
yes press info button on remote, you should see BDRom/J or BDRom/HDMV...
weird thing, could it be a memory fault on some Dune models?
This is very interesting. ALL the bluray titles that will NOT start on my Prime 3.0 are BD-J discs... what is going on? This is no longer a coincedance.
Is there a way to convert BD-J's or remove something so that they will work?
Problematic discs:
House Season 6 (all 5 discs)
Romeo+Juliet
Unstoppable (Scandinavian edition)
But... i do have BD-J's that work. E.g. Inception, District 9... so it's not a problem for ALL BD-J's
Interesting indeed and annoying :-)
Anybody else facing problems with BD-J structure folders?
What solution is there for those disks that dont play?
Interesting indeed and annoying :-)
Anybody else facing problems with BD-J structure folders?
What solution is there for those disks that dont play?
Not upto speed ön BD-J but wonder what would happen if you convert the bonus streams to MKV - is it something to do with the copy and BD-J "trickery" or with the Dune unable to handle the BD-J structure?
Not upto speed ön BD-J but wonder what would happen if you convert the bonus streams to MKV - is it something to do with the copy and BD-J "trickery" or with the Dune unable to handle the BD-J structure?
It seems the Dune can't handle those BD-J structure, the disks don't play at all, it loads a couple of seconds then nothing happens. :-(
Not upto speed ön BD-J but wonder what would happen if you convert the bonus streams to MKV - is it something to do with the copy and BD-J "trickery" or with the Dune unable to handle the BD-J structure?
Converting to mkv is not the solution but a workaround. An MKV is NOT a bluray disc... i like to keep the bluray's intact.
Again, the Dune CAN handle the BD-J structure, just not all of them, and it seems to differ per machine... a BD-J that won't play on one Dune, will play on the other.
Hi jowi kuro
did you try this? (taken from another post)
First check if you structure look like this:
BDMV
AUXDATA
BACKUP
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
PLAYLIST
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
META
PLAYLIST
STREAM
CERTIFICATE
BACKUP
If any of folders missing BD disk will not play-you can create and put empty one.
Second:in problem BD-copy CLIPINF and PLAYLIST from BACKUP-in BDMV.
Converting to mkv is not the solution but a workaround. An MKV is NOT a bluray disc... i like to keep the bluray's intact.
...that's why I suggested it - as a workaround :p
... and I guess being pedantic, a bluray disc ripped to an HD is no more a BluRay disk than ripping to multiple MKV's other than you have no index, but then I only ever keep the main film and throw away the rest!
BDMV
AUXDATA
BACKUP
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
PLAYLIST
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
META
PLAYLIST
STREAM
CERTIFICATE
BACKUP
If any of folders missing BD disk will not play-you can create and put empty one.
This trick worked for Unstoppable :) the AUXDATA there was missing. Sadly the others still wont work, will take a further look :)
This trick worked for Unstoppable :) the AUXDATA there was missing. Sadly the others still wont work, will take a further look :)
ok keep me posted if you find solution for others :-)
A possible trend identified: those BD-J not playing have a BDJO folder pretty much populated, containing lots of bdjo files (38).
Those playing have a max of 3 bdjo files...
same with you?
Have found another problematic BR/BDJ that doesnt play with the Dune as a structure folder, it is the Thelma&Louise.
Anybody else confirming issues playing BD-J folder structures with Dune base 3.0? (using latest firmware)
Thank you!
Interesting, I have a few BD rips that won't play so now I need to check an see if they are BD-J. The ones I can think of right now that just give me a black screen are: Big Trouble In Little China and The Lovely Bones.
Well, wait a minute. All of my rips are ISO's so if there is a problem I can't do the add a folder trick I guess.
Interesting, I have a few BD rips that won't play so now I need to check an see if they are BD-J. The ones I can think of right now that just give me a black screen are: Big Trouble In Little China and The Lovely Bones.
Well, wait a minute. All of my rips are ISO's so if there is a problem I can't do the add a folder trick I guess.
you would need to extract I guess the ISO to add the folder that might be missing. But on the ones I tested, there arent any missing folders, that is The Pacific series, I Robot and Thelma and Louise...
Please check those BR not playing and see if they are BD-J?
Any trick to solve this problem?
you would need to extract I guess the ISO to add the folder that might be missing. But on the ones I tested, there arent any missing folders, that is The Pacific series, I Robot and Thelma and Louise...
Please check those BR not playing and see if they are BD-J?
Any trick to solve this problem?
http://pel.hu/bdedit/
For the bd-j disks often help these changes to First Playback ... as a rule change or a certain region number bdjo, either on the number of menus.Usually works with FOX, Paramount, Disney ... Does not work with the latest Universal, Sony, Lions Gate. For Warner is not sure. BDedit - powerful tool ... experiment.
http://forum.hdtv.ru/index.php?showtopic=1901&view=findpost&p=69650
Thank you Rudik but it seems it did not work (I tried with BR "A beautiful mind" which is also a BD-J not working with Dune Base 3.0)
I opened the folder in bdedit, ticket First Playback and saved, it created a new movieindex file. But result is the same in Dune, not working.
What should I do exactly in bdedit? Just open BR folder and save? Should i select BD-J instead of BDMV?
Since there seems to be more and more incompatible BR Folder structure from recent release of movies with the Dune Base 3.0, are there people around succeeding to make the BD-J work in their machine?
ex: A beautiful mind, Thelma&Louise, i, Robot... all those not working
Thank you
Thank you Rudik but it seems it did not work (I tried with BR "A beautiful mind" which is also a BD-J not working with Dune Base 3.0)
I opened the folder in bdedit, ticket First Playback and saved, it created a new movieindex file. But result is the same in Dune, not working.
What should I do exactly in bdedit? Just open BR folder and save? Should i select BD-J instead of BDMV?
Since there seems to be more and more incompatible BR Folder structure from recent release of movies with the Dune Base 3.0, are there people around succeeding to make the BD-J work in their machine?
ex: A beautiful mind, Thelma&Louise, i, Robot... all those not working
Thank you
First you must learn how program work -i think.
First you must learn how program work -i think.
OK :-) and where can I find the instructions of this program?
I Robot from usenet wouldn't play right so ripped it with AnyDVD from Netflix rental and it plays fine on my Dune Base 3.0.
Big Trouble In Little China, The Lovely Bones and The Pacific series from usenet played ok. Pacific has some fancy menu stuff (overlays) which won't play correctly on the dune so I just made up a folder with all the extras stuff from the overlays and had multiAVCHD generate a new menu and the BD structure.
If I have problems with movies from usenet I get them from Netflix and all have played ok.
I put ALL the BD's through multiAVCHD to blank all warnings and previews (cuts down on size). Sometimes I edit out extra languages and subs. multiAVCHD writes 100% BD compatable folders so I just copy them over to my HD and play on the Dune. Original menu's work perfectly. Very rarely multiAVCHD has problems with a disc so I just put the original folders onto the Dune and live with all the extra crap on the disc.
I'm getting A Beautiful Mind (usenet) now and will see how it plays.
I think you must specify if the movie is buy/rental/usenet. If from usenet I think it's because of poor ripping.
A Beautiful Mind plays without any problems. Nice movie.
I tried to run multiavchd but it keeps crashing on my Win7/64 machine. Besides that, it seems to re-encode the bluray using some x264 encoder...? i usually stay away from re-encodes. FAR away. I'll wait for a better solution.
Hi,
you can add me to the problem list. In my case
A-Team and Knight&Day ISOs are not working and both are BDJ.
I hope there will be a fix in the next firmware. The discs itself played without problems. I thought ISOs where played by the disc player not the file player.
Ralf
Kat-CeDe,
I don't use ISOs, I use the BD folders. Both A-Team and Knight&Day played fine for me.
jowi_kuro,
The problems you are having are because you don't know how to use the program. It has several modes that can be used. I use it in RE-AUTHOR mode and it never transcodes. Half an hour of reading should get it sorted out for you. x264 is used on x64 systems.
Here's some help on how to install, fix Win7 and basic usage:
http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17
Required software, how to install steps in sequence (see below for Win7)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744
middle of post#1 ReAuthor Tips
Bottom of post#1 Win7 install tips - fixes for crashes
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361598#post1361598
ReAuthor Mode explanations with pics
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=151925
Guide for Blu-Ray Re-Authoring using multiAVCHD
It really is an easy program to use but it's not intuitive. Takes about 5 mins to blank files and about 10 mins for it to process the movie. All you need is to do one correctly and it becomes a piece of cake :-)
Good luck!
The program crashes and shows error messages all over the place when started, and also when used. I'll wait for something more stable and usable.
The program crashes and shows error messages all over the place when started, and also when used. I'll wait for something more stable and usable.
same problem here, and no time to investigate it unfortunately.
It is a promising app with a nice feature-set
Not sure if I read it here or elsewhere but I found a way to make my Avatar BD-ISO rip work. Apparently, if you press "next" on the remote as soon as the Bluray playability information screen, the one that talks about firmware, etc. then the menu will load and you can play the movie as usual. It worked for Avatar but my other problem movies still don't work. I bought "Big Trouble in Little China" as a Dutch import before it was released here so perhaps that is the problem on that movie. I'm using DVDFab8 and have tried disabling the BD-Live part but still no joy. Could it be a region thing?
Any news on this issue? My latest movie to have problems is Clash of the Titans (the new one). All the previews and promotional stuff play fine and then the disc loading icon pops up for a few seconds and all the pre-movie stuff loops over again, no movie and no access to menu, no next chapter, nothing.
Bounty Bob
03-06-11, 00:30
I'm having trouble with my Dune HD Duo not playing Transformers 2, (I know, some might say it's a blessing!).
Anyway, I'm using BD folder structure, all folders are there but it's a BDJ, so seems to be the same issue as others are having. If I navigate to the actual movie file in the stream folder then I can play the movie fine, I just can't load it as a disc with menus etc.
Hi,
same here with Unstoppable ISO. BDJ problem not fixed:-(
Ralf
On my Base 3.0 Unstoppable and Transformers 2 play fine with the latest beta firmware. Both movies BD-J structure made with DVD Fab8.
Bounty Bob
04-06-11, 11:35
On my Base 3.0 Unstoppable and Transformers 2 play fine with the latest beta firmware. Both movies BD-J structure made with DVD Fab8.
Hmmm, I've been reading that BDJ need system storage, what size do you have attached? I'm using a 2GB flash, which I thought should be enough? Going to try shortly with my external BD drive attached via e-SATA.
Hi,
you forgot different countries = different versions. In my case it is the german version and I have 1GB system storage in my Dune.
Ralf
I've got the german versions and 2 GB of system storage
It seems the problem is due to software, not hardware. You could try the following:
1. Reset Settings from Setup/General/reset settings - system reboot
2. Re-install the firmware
3. Format the system storage drive.
4. Reinitialise the system storage
For system storage use a USB stick, not a SD card. I use a 4GB USB stick.
Hello guys,
I did some testing over last weeks. I found out that my BD/J not playing on a HFS+ external Hard drive (Mac OS x) were actually playing fine when transferred to a NTFS (windows) external formatted drive.
Are you guys using also a Mac OS x formatted drive?
Hi,
nope NFS from NAS in may case. I also tried initializing my system and bluray storage without success.
Ralf
I'll give anything a go with this, my pc is a Windows 7 machine with all it's disks formatted as NTFS, and i use Allegro NFS for sharing. I've also tried to use SMB for sharing but also to no avail. So the problem is still there.
Hi,
nope NFS from NAS in may case. I also tried initializing my system and bluray storage without success.
Ralf
Please try as I described above. I had a similar issue and it was solved.
Generally it is good to use the "reset settings" before and after the firmware upgrade.
Hi Hidalgo,
I got the same problems playing BDMV folders on external hfs drives. When I mount the hfs drives on my Mac and share them via NFS (with NFS Manager) the BDMV folders play fine. Very weird! Did you find a solution? Did resetting and reinstall firmware work? Any solutions more then welcome!
greetings,
flo
Hello guys,
I did some testing over last weeks. I found out that my BD/J not playing on a HFS+ external Hard drive (Mac OS x) were actually playing fine when transferred to a NTFS (windows) external formatted drive.
Are you guys using also a Mac OS x formatted drive?
Yes, I'm using HFS+ too. This is interesting, if all the people having problems use HFS at least we have narrowed the problem.
I don't have any big enough USB drive at hand now to try with NTFS, but will definitely give it a try as soon as I can.
Hi Hidalgo,
I got the same problems playing BDMV folders on external hfs drives. When I mount the hfs drives on my Mac and share them via NFS (with NFS Manager) the BDMV folders play fine. Very weird! Did you find a solution? Did resetting and reinstall firmware work? Any solutions more then welcome!
greetings,
flo
Hi I didnt reset the Dune to try.
It works through network? Hum, very strange indeed! Why not directly with HDD?
Just revisiting this thread because some things have changed with the issues I was having. I recently moved my Dune Base 3.0 player to another room of the house. I'm just using external hard drives with it because I haven't pulled a network cable to this room yet to utilize my usual network streaming. Anyway, the same movies I could not get to play at all before are playing without issue when played back from external drive via USB. Very strange indeed. I'm wondering if this issue was having the player connected to Ethernet and it was trying to access BD-Live features? I guess I will know for sure once I get the cable pulled to this room and go back to my usual setup.
Hi,
nope NFS from NAS in may case. I also tried initializing my system and bluray storage without success.
Ralf
Hi Ralf ,did you try clean blu-ray storage, restart player,and try same movie ?
http://dune-hd.com/firmware/usb_flash_drive/
I was having the same problem with a couple BDJ discs today and fixed the issue as follows.
First went to the “Setup>Miscellaneous>System Storage” and then did the following:
1) Clear Blu-ray Cache
2) Clear System Storage
3) Deinitialize System Storage
4) Clear Flash Memory Storage
Tried problem discs (Dexter Season 5 discs 2 and 3) and they worked fine. I then formatted my now unpartitioned system storage disc in the DUNE.
Finally I went back to the “Setup>Miscellaneous>System Storage” menu and initialized my system storage again. Discs still work fine so it seems something was not agreeing with the DUNE in the system’s cache.
craigr
I was having the same problem with a couple BDJ discs today and fixed the issue as follows.
First went to the “Setup>Miscellaneous>System Storage” and then did the following:
1) Clear Blu-ray Cache
2) Clear System Storage
3) Deinitialize System Storage
4) Clear Flash Memory Storage
Tried problem discs (Dexter Season 5 discs 2 and 3) and they worked fine. I then formatted my now unpartitioned system storage disc in the DUNE.
Finally I went back to the “Setup>Miscellaneous>System Storage” menu and initialized my system storage again. Discs still work fine so it seems something was not agreeing with the DUNE in the system’s cache.
craigr
Some times its depends from-connected player to Internet or not .
Some times its depends from-connected player to Internet or not .
My media files are on a NAS through the network, and my system storage is on an internal USB stick.
craigr
Some times its depends from-connected player to Internet or not .
One thing I have also done in the past is to configure my DUNE so that it cannot see the internet. I do this by manually setting the gateway to a wrong value. For example, if the gateway is really 192.168.1.1 I will set the gateway to 1.168.1.1 so that the DUNE can no longer download BDLive shit.
Downside is that auto firmware updates also don't work and nor would internet content. I don't use internet content and I do FW updates manually.
craigr
One thing I have also done in the past is to configure my DUNE so that it cannot see the internet. I do this by manually setting the gateway to a wrong value. For example, if the gateway is really 192.168.1.1 I will set the gateway to 1.168.1.1 so that the DUNE can no longer download BDLive shit.
Downside is that auto firmware updates also don't work and nor would internet content. I don't use internet content and I do FW updates manually.
craigr
You did right thing -because -some times Blu-ray disk try to connect to internet -and play same time -and because memory low -this impossible.
dikkiedirk
08-09-11, 17:43
Is there any news from HDI on this. Perhaps a firmware update might fix this. Seems we are all guessing What is really wrong.
I'm getting frustrated with this issue. Same file play fine on an external USB drive but playing through network I get an I/O error, playback failed. I have to sit through all the previews and can't access the root menu. You can fast forward through all that but when the menu is next to load it fails. I have cleared my bluray cache but it didn't help. I also tried clearing flash memory and although it says it's cleared, when I restart the player the same amount is there (2.14MB). I haven't cleared system storage because that is where my Zappitti stuff is and how will I get that back if I clear it out?
digitaldude
26-10-11, 04:51
I'm getting frustrated with this issue. Same file play fine on an external USB drive but playing through network I get an I/O error, playback failed. I have to sit through all the previews and can't access the root menu. You can fast forward through all that but when the menu is next to load it fails. I have cleared my bluray cache but it didn't help. I also tried clearing flash memory and although it says it's cleared, when I restart the player the same amount is there (2.14MB). I haven't cleared system storage because that is where my Zappitti stuff is and how will I get that back if I clear it out?
I am having this exact same issue. I would love to know the solution.
Hi dropzone7,
1. system storage should be internal only therefore you should not be able to put Zappiti stuff in there.
2. Zappiti also has a library on the PC so if you accidental delete something you only have to start Zappiti again and export to dune.
Ralf
Hi,
latest beta from 22nd nov. still does not play my BDJ-ISO:-(
Ralf
I know this is a old thread, but I have exactly the same problem on my Smart D1, weirdly the problem only started a few days ago. I've literally tried everything around system storage etc, basically this kills the Dune for me. Are other people still having problems?
Hi,
for me it is no killer as it only happens on a few BD-J ISOs.
Ralf
Hi,
for me it is no killer as it only happens on a few BD-J ISOs.
Ralf
Happens on all of mine
Hi everyone, after the last FW update my Dune is now with this problem, I can´t play some BD folders that played fine before, I just tried everything possible and the player just don´t play. As Smurfin said, this kills the Dune for me. Any news about that?
Hi,
until now I've one BD Folder too which does not play any more since I updated the firmware !
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