View Full Version : Whoehaaa: A real Browser....
... from Microsoft.
Internet Explorer 7 is here...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx
yeah yeah, I know :-)
Spare me the details.
What you talking about? Lynx has been around for many years! ;)
I have been using the beta months. Love it.
Microsoft made a copy of Firefox, kicked out the code that made Firefox so quick, added some bugs and called in IE7 :lol:
And then they implemented tabs correctly, which Firefox hadn't done last time I tried it. Oh and IE7 isn't slower than Firefox.
I love these wars...
For whoever is using Firfox...
Do you have a real PC (Microsoft OS) or not? (Linuc/Mac)
lol :-)
Sorry, just find this extremely amusing...
Lord_Kiron
20-10-06, 14:14
And then they implemented tabs correctly, which Firefox hadn't done last time I tried it. Oh and IE7 isn't slower than Firefox.
What are you talking about ?
With "TabPrefferences" add on ( http://216.55.161.203/theonekea/tabprefs/ ) my tabs in FireFox behave properly - the way I like them !
Add to this "Session Saver" add-on ( http://adblock.ethereal.net/alchemy.cgi/SessionSaver ) and "IE Tabs" ( http://ietab.mozdev.org/ ) in case you encounter the ideotic site that support only IE, plus "AddBlock" add-on ( http://adblock.mozdev.org/ ) to get rid of adds and you get perfect browser.
And yes Hi-Jack it's a "real PC" :twisted: Windows XP Pro SP2 powered.
But it requires a lot of add-ons to make it do what it should do...
Sounds a lot like K.... let's not go there... :-)
Whoehahahahaha
What are you talking about ?
With "TabPrefferences" add on ( http://216.55.161.203/theonekea/tabprefs/ ) my tabs in FireFox behave properly - the way I like them !
Add to this "Session Saver" add-on ( http://adblock.ethereal.net/alchemy.cgi/SessionSaver ) and "IE Tabs" ( http://ietab.mozdev.org/ ) in case you encounter the ideotic site that support only IE, plus "AddBlock" add-on ( http://adblock.mozdev.org/ ) to get rid of adds and you get perfect browser.
With lynx you get perfect tabbed browsing and ad blocker by default. ;)
But it requires a lot of add-ons to make it do what it should do...
That's the whole point of Firefox - make it as small as possible and leave the rest to extensions. That way if you don't like the default you look for the extension that suites your needs.
How do you think Firefox reached 12% market share? Because people like it. 12% is high considering that 50% probably have never heard of Firefox, 50% of the remaining are too lazy or don't know how and 50% of the remaining are forced to use IE due to there work environment. That leaves 12.5%, all of which Firefox already has!
I love these wars...
For whoever is using Firfox...
Do you have a real PC (Microsoft OS) or not? (Linuc/Mac)
lol :-)
Sorry, just find this extremely amusing...
Umm...can your "real PC" do this (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenrn0.png)? Is it free? Can you configure it exactly the way you want it? Come back when the answer to all those questions is YES!
I never used firefox...
Will try tonight and see rather it is any good...
if so, we'll make whole MPC start using firefox :-)
What are you talking about ?
With "TabPrefferences" add on ( http://216.55.161.203/theonekea/tabprefs/ ) my tabs in FireFox behave properly - the way I like them !
Yes. With an extension. IE7 doesn't need that. Neither does Opera.
That's the whole point of Firefox - make it as small as possible and leave the rest to extensions. That way if you don't like the default you look for the extension that suites your needs.
Yeah, that is probably the idea. But what is gained by making it "as small as possible" doesn't even come close to what is lost by me having to find all the necessary extension afterwards. IE7 delivers "out of the box" so to speak.
How do you think Firefox reached 12% market share?
The same way they just lost 1.4 points again.
Lord_Kiron
20-10-06, 19:46
I never used firefox...
Will try tonight and see rather it is any good...
Just make sure to install extensions I mentioned :)
There are many others too to customize your expirience.
Just make sure to install extensions I mentioned :)
There are many others too to customize your expirience.
A few of the extensions I cannot be without:
Adblock Plus (combined with Adblock Filterset.G Updater) - Does what the name says.
Download Statusbar - Download manager that hides itself in the status bar.
SwitchProxy Tool - Switch between proxies.
Tab Mix Plus - My personal favourite tab manager. Everything you can imagine is configurable. And it saves sessions, although FF 2.0 does this for you already.
Web Developer - Useful for developing websites.
There are many more. That is just a small selection of my favourites.
Just make sure to install extensions I mentioned :)
There are many others too to customize your expirience.
A few of the extensions I cannot be without:
Adblock Plus (combined with Adblock Filterset.G Updater) - Does what the name says.
Download Statusbar - Download manager that hides itself in the status bar.
SwitchProxy Tool - Switch between proxies.
Tab Mix Plus - My personal favourite tab manager. Everything you can imagine is configurable. And it saves sessions, although FF 2.0 does this for you already.
Web Developer - Useful for developing websites.
There are many more. That is just a small selection of my favourites.
.........and mouse gesture, I bet u'll be addicted.
Firefox does not need any extension compared to IE7 features. Extensions on Firefox will enhance your browsing compared to IE7, that's all.
I've been using Firefox for 2 years, and I'll never go back to IE, because IE is too late .... they implement features 3 years after everybody, and I won't wait another 3-years for new features.
Tabs are great, and with Firefox2 they are even better.
Firefox2 isn't out yet and as far as I know tabs without extensions in 1.5 are not as well implemented as in IE7 (or Opera).
I've been using Firefox for 2 years, and I'll never go back to IE, because IE is too late .... they implement features 3 years after everybody, and I won't wait another 3-years for new features.
Opera adds tabs in 2000. Four years later Firefox officially adds tabs and they weren't even implemented correctly.
Need I mention the enhanced security (or lack of it in IE) and standards compliance.
Are we talking security now? Granted the security of IE6 is shitty, but IE7 is a huge step forward. Also, I gotta wonder about the security of all those extensions.
OK you're right about tabs in IE7, they are maybe better than other browsers, I'll need to figure out... I'll download IE7 in my language as soon as it is available (only in english at the moment).
Are we talking security now? Granted the security of IE6 is shitty, but IE7 is a huge step forward. Also, I gotta wonder about the security of all those extensions.
I have to agree, from what I hear there has been a huge step forward in security. Just the fact that they removed the integration with Windows should solve a lot of problems. Guess we'll have to wait and see how good it really is on that front.
As for extensions though, I disagree. Before an extension appears on the Mozilla site it is checked thoroughly. If you install extensions from an alternate source then you are warned and if you persist it's your own risk.
I have to agree, from what I hear there has been a huge step forward in security. Just the fact that they removed the integration with Windows should solve a lot of problems.
It's a myth that the OS integration is a security issue.
The issue of not being part of the Operating System is an interesting one though that is frequently the subject of misunderstanding. IE is part of the Windows Operating System so that parts of the OS and other applications can rely on the functionality and APIs being present. IE in turn relies on Operating System functionality to do it's job. To be clear there are no Operating System APIs that IE uses that are not documented on MSDN as part of the platform SDK and available to other browsers and any other software that runs on Windows. The security of any browser is irrelevant to if it is part of the operating system.
If we are to debate security of browsers then let's bring in relevant arguments and accurate details about different possible attacks rather than rely on the irrational fear that because IE is part of the operating system it must be exposing OS functionality to the web. This is not the case as any software has access to the same set of OS APIs and can therefore expose the same set of OS functionality as IE.
http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2005/03/22/400689.aspx
As for extensions though, I disagree. Before an extension appears on the Mozilla site it is checked thoroughly.
Just like every other piece of software is. Don't you think Microsoft tests their products?
It's a myth that the OS integration is a security issue.
http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2005/03/22/400689.aspx
Have you read any of the comments on that post? And even if one were to believe that post for a minute, then why have they removed the integration?
As for extensions though, I disagree. Before an extension appears on the Mozilla site it is checked thoroughly.
Just like every other piece of software is. Don't you think Microsoft tests their products?
What's that got to do with the security of extensions? There's nothing even to consider arguing any further. It's very well known that the security of IE 6 is flawed. This seems to have been improved in IE 7, but since it's closed source we will only know with time.
Lord_Kiron
21-10-06, 15:56
Well I do agree that security has nothing to do with OS integration.
The only reason FireFox is safer then IE is becuse of the simple fact that FireFox is open source that means that it tested and fixed by thousends developers and programmers over the world while IE only by hundred or so Microsoft programmers.
Also while simle fact that OS code LOOKS more open for atack since it's open can make you think otherwise it actually causes people to find potential vonerabilities faster.
Have you read any of the comments on that post? And even if one were to believe that post for a minute, then why have they removed the integration?
Yeah, I've read some of the comments. What's your point?
What's that got to do with the security of extensions? There's nothing even to consider arguing any further.
All I'm saying is that with each extension you have added complexity and new potential flaws.
If you don't want to argue with me then just stop replying. Don't get mad because I "dare" to question the security of the darling of the evangelical open source community.
It's very well known that the security of IE 6 is flawed. This seems to have been improved in IE 7, but since it's closed source we will only know with time.
Are you actually saying that security flaws will take longer to appear since IE7 is closed source. I'm sure that's not what you believe.
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